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Post by kidstypike on Jan 21, 2009 22:48:42 GMT
Lovely images but sadly a waste of time. US have gone back to the drawing board taking comments into account and will be re-submitting their plans soon (Visitor P9). Good...At least they are taking some notice of what Joe Public says....hopefully in the current financial crisis the plans will be delayed for many years. |
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Post by kidstypike on Jan 21, 2009 22:52:07 GMT
I notice in the first image there seems to be a ferris wheel and a carousel yet in he aerial view thre is noindiction of where they might be. My PC is a bit poorly and I can't read PDF files at the mo which is a shame. The PC doctor is trying to diagnose the problem. Willow that is only an artists impression and bears no resemblance to what will be there. I think it's called "artistic liscence" |
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Post by gnasher on Jan 21, 2009 23:15:57 GMT
These different images and plans are all we have to go on at the moment.
The new plans might be completely different, until they're submitted we've no idea. An artists impression of what we could have won (copyright Jim Bowen ;D )
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Post by accykeef on Jan 22, 2009 7:38:40 GMT
Who picks up the tab for the competition as they work closely and secretly with Lancaster City Council.
But they have blocked all the existing paths through the development area.
All of the ideas I have seen so far look awful - that must reflect what they are considering.
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Post by trevnhil on Jan 22, 2009 10:42:29 GMT
These different images and plans are all we have to go on at the moment.The new plans might be completely different, until they're submitted we've no idea. An artists impression of what we could have won (copyright Jim Bowen ;D ) Hi gnasher. You seem to be very well clued up on what is happening re the development plans for the central promenade. And you also seem to have some pretty strong views on other projects in the town. Can I ask if you are in some way connected to the council in any shape or form?? Regards. Trev.. |
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Post by WillowTheWhisp on Jan 22, 2009 12:24:23 GMT
Thanks Ian. I'm still finding it difficult to relate those images to each other.
Image 1 looks very festive and cheerful, with those kites and the spikey immitation palm tree things but then image 2 looks very stark and grey and concrety. Neither seem to bear much resemblance to image 4 or image 5.
Must say I love image 6. Such wild gay abandon!
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Post by trevnhil on Jan 22, 2009 15:22:47 GMT
Hello all, You will perhaps remember that I sent an Email to Lancaster city council.... I have had a reply back, and I don't think it is fair on the sender to just reproduce it all on here, nor identify the sender. He or she is only doing their job to the best of there ability. I did not get a definite answer to my question.  But here is one statement... " The overall planning development proposal for Morecambe promenade, I believe, is and always has been on the premise that the site where the Dome is located will also be redeveloped. Without the above I do not believe that the Midland Hotel would have been refurbished and re-opened." This does not say that U S would be the developer. But unless it was the same developer as the Midland then it would make no sense. Another sentence says.... " the City Council is having to address a projected £1.8 million revenue budget shortfall in 2009/2010." And the letter goes on to say quite rightly I suppose.... "Cultural services is under particular pressure because it is the only non-statutory service. It's a difficult time and we are having to consider some things we would rather not consider". So, although I am not much wiser..... you are all as wise as me now.  Regards. Trev.. |
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Post by lifeboat1721 on Jan 22, 2009 17:22:08 GMT
Cheers Trev, typical LCC they wont give away the finer details and like we have said before probably Without US the Midland would still be an eyesore But US want something back in return for all there work  Ian |
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Post by accykeef on Jan 22, 2009 18:57:54 GMT
But why oh why won't they give us the numbers?
How much will it cost to keep it open for the next 12/24 months?
I appreciate LCC is suffering a budget shortfall and in typical Council style that has to mean cuts, cuts and more cuts. Business is not about making cuts but making profits. They have not considered putting the contract for the Dome out to tender for sime reason, instead they have just decided to close it. If they made the figures available to interested parties, a better decision as to to the profitability of the project could be made by business brains better qualified than the Council.
It may be that the Dome is a non profitable entity but until all avenues of rescue have been explored, we will never know.
Closing it now will only create a very expensive area of grass, with no revenue potential whatsoever. I know we are in a recession, so we should be able to get any repairs done at the right money.
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Post by WillowTheWhisp on Jan 22, 2009 19:07:14 GMT
Well at least that confirms what many of us have been thinking.
I have to say Keith that I too wonder why the Dome hasn't been offered for sale or rent or a short term lease for someone else to consider making a profit. Knowing that it will eventually be demolished when the regeneration gets under wsy though maybe nobody would be interested.
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Post by accykeef on Jan 22, 2009 19:57:52 GMT
They would have to bring in an expensive team of marketing experts, planners and a whole host of other regulatory bodies to explore the feasability of such a venture being profitable and worthwhile in these troubled times we find ourselves in.
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they could close it and be home in time for Eastenders.
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Post by kidstypike on Jan 22, 2009 22:15:53 GMT
The overall planning development proposal for Morecambe promenade, I believe, is and always has been on the premise that the site where the Dome is located will also be redeveloped. Without the above I do not believe that the Midland Hotel would have been refurbished and re-opened.
Anybody could see that there would have to be a payback. US aren't a charity. The Midland Hotel will never be profitable so this is payback time.
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Post by trevnhil on Jan 23, 2009 13:34:33 GMT
The overall planning development proposal for Morecambe promenade, I believe, is and always has been on the premise that the site where the Dome is located will also be redeveloped. Without the above I do not believe that the Midland Hotel would have been refurbished and re-opened.Anybody could see that there would have to be a payback. US aren't a charity. The Midland Hotel will never be profitable so this is payback time. Bearing in mind the quote above...... I presume that they never said to the Winter Gardens...... You can do this up at a loss, but we will let you build and sell loads of apartments on the seaward side of Marine road, so you can cover all your costs and come out with a handsome profit at the end l!!!! Trev.. |
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Post by lifeboat1721 on Jan 23, 2009 13:35:01 GMT
I agree, that is Urban Splash saying We will update the Midland BUT you have to give us something in return.. |
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Post by trevnhil on Jan 26, 2009 14:18:16 GMT
A little bit more enlightening news from 'The Visitor'. This is just one paragraph taken from my last post on the 'Band Area' thread'. It is that area which is being cleared and grassed over, that is being mentioned.
The council owns a large part of this area and has entered into a development agreement with Urban Splash Ltd whereby this developer has an option to take forward a redevelopment of this area (subject to certain conditions including securing satisfactory planning permission).
I wonder what the 'certain conditions' are.
Regards. Trev..
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