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Post by musky on Jan 18, 2009 14:18:00 GMT
 As the old saying goes if you can't beat em join em 
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Post by gnasher on Jan 18, 2009 14:42:04 GMT
Maybe you should stand against one of them in a local election. That way you would be able to air your differences where they can answer back.
If I had the time, I would consider it. Anyway, as OUR elected representives, aren't they being rude and ignorant if they don't answer?
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Post by kidstypike on Jan 18, 2009 18:04:58 GMT
Maybe you should stand against one of them in a local election. That way you would be able to air your differences where they can answer back. If I had the time, I would consider it. Anyway, as OUR elected representives, aren't they being rude and ignorant if they don't answer? That depends in what manner the question was aked. If it was asked in a confrontational manner then the answer is NO. |
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Post by gnasher on Jan 18, 2009 19:36:26 GMT
It wasn't confrontational or heated, it was in full view of everyone in the Arndale. She simply ran out of answers when confronted with someone under 65 who had actually taken the time to read the crap she was spouting and thought up some decent questions.
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Post by kidstypike on Jan 18, 2009 20:42:02 GMT
It wasn't confrontational or heated, it was in full view of everyone in the Arndale. She simply ran out of answers when confronted with someone under 65 who had actually taken the time to read the crap she was spouting and thought up some decent questions. Just because her views on the Central Promenade are different to yours doesn't make them c**p. There are many people who believe that the plans for the Central Promenade are wrong. Building up to seven blocks up to six or seven storeys high is not what I would want to see on the seaward side of the promenade. As far as Cllr Archer having an hidden agenda, there is nothing in the Central Promenade redevelopment plans that compares in any shape or form with the Dome, Platform or Winter Gardens so talk of her not wanting it done for this reason is IMHO complete rubbish. If I am wrong about the last paragraph can you please point out where this so called theatre will be. I enclose a plan of the redevelopment below.  |
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Post by gnasher on Jan 18, 2009 22:24:24 GMT
Just because her views on the Central Promenade are different to yours doesn't make them c**p
Her views included;
The road would be narrowed restricting access to the emergency services. I asked how different is that to the rest of the promenade that the council have already narrowed. No answer.
The view would be spoiled. There is no view to spoil thanks to the fact that the footpath in front of the WG is lower than the promenade. No answer.
She kept going back to hew spolied view comment and I eventually got it out of her that the view was from the restaurant etc.
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Post by kidstypike on Jan 18, 2009 22:55:52 GMT
Just because her views on the Central Promenade are different to yours doesn't make them c**pHer views included; The road would be narrowed restricting access to the emergency services. I asked how different is that to the rest of the promenade that the council have already narrowed. No answer. The view would be spoiled. There is no view to spoil thanks to the fact that the footpath in front of the WG is lower than the promenade. No answer. She kept going back to hew spolied view comment and I eventually got it out of her that the view was from the restaurant etc. But that's no reason to say she as a COI....it's her personal views to which everybody including councillors are entitled. I'm still waiting to hear whereabouts this "new" theatre will be in the development. |
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Post by WillowTheWhisp on Jan 20, 2009 10:05:54 GMT
She kept going back to hew spolied view comment and I eventually got it out of her that the view was from the restaurant etc. Would that be the restaurant which isn't there yet? |
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Post by WillowTheWhisp on Jan 20, 2009 10:08:14 GMT
I enclose a plan of the redevelopment below. I wish we had a key to what all those little numbers mean. Those blocks get higher as they move further from the Midland too, and the one next to the Midland seems to dwarf it so the last one must be huge. |
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Post by accykeef on Jan 20, 2009 11:06:21 GMT
The problem has always been that nobody knows what a politician really means and where they actually stand on a given subject as they tend not to answer specific questions. This leads to inaccurate reporting of the facts and much confusion.
Which road is to be narrowed?
With regard to the plan, if I was looking to buy a property in this development I would want a sea view. With this layout, only the Penthouse apartments will have a clear view of the sea.
I am still at a loss where the car park is to be situated, surely not below the development.
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Post by kidstypike on Jan 20, 2009 11:26:07 GMT
What we have now are six fingered blocks. These mostly rise at four floors from the promenade to heights of six to eight floors at the sea. The first two blocks in Phase I start at four floors from the ground, next to the Midland, and six at the rear. This makes them higher than the current Midland Hotel, and these are the smallest blocks!
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Post by accykeef on Jan 20, 2009 11:40:09 GMT
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Post by kidstypike on Jan 20, 2009 13:33:48 GMT
All Urban Splash are concerned with re the Central Promenade is to cram in as many bodies as they can.....If this development is the "pay back" for the Midland Hotel it would have been better to have flattened the Midland.
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Post by trevnhil on Jan 20, 2009 13:46:28 GMT
I really do not think that the majority of the public in the Morecambe area know FULLY what is going on. And I include myself in that category even though I look on the web about Morecambe and read the local papers ( on line).
The councillors are taking decisions upon behalf of the people. That is what they were elected to do. But when there is such a large project as the U S project is, why can we not see what the will of the people is. Make public all the drawings, designs and plans.... AND THEN HAVE A PUBLIC VOTE.
I will nail my flag to the mast and say that from what I have seen I would not vote to have what is in effect a number of large blocks of flats with a very high skyline. I know that some of this development is on the same land as Bubbles, the Band arena and the Dome. But it also SEEMS to be on what has always been regarded as public open spaces.
I have said before that I am surprised that the local press have not got a LOT more factual information for the public.
Regards. Trev..
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Post by accykeef on Jan 20, 2009 16:04:44 GMT
Does anyone really know the state of play in the whole design process?
I know this grand competition was launched and the designers of the world were challenged to come up with designs. Is the competition still open or are the designs were are seeing here, the real deal of how it will be?
The problem with a public vote is the same problem we have with the Council voting and that is a total lack of imagination and the promotion of odd ideas, when it comes to design and development. I would have thought that the old Frontierland would be a better location for housing but I can't help thinking that it has been ear marked for more shops.
Rather than a panel of distinguished architects judging the designs, I would prefer the judges to point out advantages and disadvantages of each design and let the general public decide.
The press can only report what they are told and if they are told nothing then they don't say anything.
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