trevnhil
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Post by trevnhil on Jan 16, 2009 16:31:09 GMT
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Post by kidstypike on Jan 16, 2009 16:42:36 GMT
Does it really matter who signed the paperwork as long as he/she was signing on behalf of the trust.It matters a lot when it comes to councillors declaring conflicts of interest in meetings and votes. I believe her WG position is in direct conflict with some of the developments in morecambe yet she is allowed to participate. You are entitled to your opinion that Councillor Archer position at the Winter Gardens may have a direct conflict with other developments. However she and I assume the rest of the council must not.....If there was such a conflict I am sure that Councillors from opposing parties would have brought the matter up before any votes were cast. Regarding the Dome....I believe it is minuted that Councillor Archer voted against closure. |
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Post by gnasher on Jan 16, 2009 17:03:10 GMT
However she and I assume the rest of the council must not.....If there was such a conflict I am sure that Councillors from opposing parties would have brought the matter up before any votes were cast.
I don't know the rules on conflicts of interest but I'm sure they revolve around financial interests. The interests I'm talking about aren't financial and maybe aren't actually covered by council rules.
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Post by kidstypike on Jan 16, 2009 17:49:54 GMT
Does it really matter who signed the paperwork as long as he/she was signing on behalf of the trust.It matters a lot when it comes to councillors declaring conflicts of interest in meetings and votes. I believe her WG position is in direct conflict with some of the developments in morecambe yet she is allowed to participate. Maybe it would help if you would itemise those developments where Cllr Archer had a COI. |
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Post by accykeef on Jan 16, 2009 19:18:08 GMT
If Cllr Archer is campaigning against a development on the grounds that it will affect a development she has a vested interest in, then that is enough evdence to prevent her from participating in the voting procedure.
She is chair of the WG project and seems to be opposed to any development on the Central Promenade.
Perhaps if the local politicians (all parties) were honest with their intentions we could make up our minds based on what is best for Morecambe and not what is best for the individuals who have the vested interests in certain outcomes. If Morecambe becomes a prosperous town we will all benefit, but as long as the people in charge are playing political games, Morecambe does not have a future. It will just go down hill and the powers that be will move on to other things and continue the downward spiral elsewhere.
From past experience, an honest councillor with common sense will be hounded out of office leaving the lunatics to run the asylum. This was not in Morecambe but I see the same attitude to honesty here as I saw in a previous life.
Blobby Blobby Blobby just about sums up the ability of these people to negotiate a deal and a future for Morecambe. Never mind, they will have the Tern Project to gloat about for years to come (but not much else).
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Post by kidstypike on Jan 16, 2009 20:00:01 GMT
Perhaps I'm being pedantic here but could somebody explain why being chair of the Winter Gardens could be a COI with the central promenade redevelopment.
The redevolpment itself would be good for the Winter Gardens .....plenty of people with loads of cash ....seems to me that the WG would thrive.
Cllr Archer I believe was against the redevelopment because it will look hideous and in that respect I entirely agree.
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Post by accykeef on Jan 16, 2009 20:38:37 GMT
This is the problem with our Councillors, we don't actually know which side of the fence they sit on. If they came out and made statements in plain English, then maybe we may support them. Being chair of an organisation is not the problem, it is the fighting for limited funds which causes the problem. If they would just come out and say how much all their plans are going to cost, someone with more business accumen may just come up with a way of achieving all their goals rather than urinating into the wind, as they appear to be doing at present.
What are the plans for the area around the Midland?
Does anyone actually know?
Can we view a definitive plan?
Are there some genuine artist's drawings?
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Post by gnasher on Jan 17, 2009 13:24:16 GMT
Perhaps I'm being pedantic here but could somebody explain why being chair of the Winter Gardens could be a COI with the central promenade redevelopment.
At the moment the WG is a prime candidate for public money because, with the Dome closing, there is nothing else fit to call a theatre. The new development would include an entertainment venue, call it what you will, but it will offer competition to the WG (if it were open). The chances of the WG getting public money would then reduce as there isn't a desperate need. Dame Archer is on record recently as saying the WG won't open without public money.
Far too much stuff going on behind the scenes in this town, most of which is known but not easy to prove.
On another forum there is a known MBI member. They only appear when they can offer help to someone, like this morning, but post a direct question to them or the MBI and they disappear.
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Post by accykeef on Jan 17, 2009 16:25:05 GMT
Forgive me for being numb but  What is an MBI member? |
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Post by kidstypike on Jan 17, 2009 16:39:08 GMT
At the moment the WG is a prime candidate for public money because, with the Dome closing, there is nothing else fit to call a theatre. The new development would include an entertainment venue, call it what you will, but it will offer competition to the WG (if it were open). The chances of the WG getting public money would then reduce as there isn't a desperate need. Dame Archer is on record recently as saying the WG won't open without public money.
Excuse me, but Cllr Archer voted against the closure of the Dome. Surely if she wanted it out of the way she would have voted for.
Regarding the WG, of course it won't open without public money but that doesn't necessarily have to be ratepayers money. After all the Midland Hotel was only brought back to life via grants from every Tom,Dick & Harry.
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Post by WillowTheWhisp on Jan 18, 2009 0:19:19 GMT
I think Gnasher is saying that she voted to keep the Dome in preference to some new state of the art venue which would be built in the new development which would replace the Dome. Better the Devil you know?
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Post by WillowTheWhisp on Jan 18, 2009 0:43:17 GMT
Some interesting figures:
It would cost £85,100 to demolish The Dome.
The Platform would need £132,600 spending on staging, 'blackouts', lighting and sound systems to bring it up to Dome standard.
That's a total of £217,700!
Now if the Dome is kept open how much would that cost?
I suppose the argument is that it will have to be demolished eventually but it seems to be a very expensive cost cutting excercise.
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Post by gnasher on Jan 18, 2009 10:31:02 GMT
What is an MBI member?
Morecambe Bay Independents, a local political party with, as far as I remember, 11 representatives on the council. The party voted into power because they were all in favour of a bypass. When it came to the bypass vote, all 11 members voted against it. Can you tell I don't rate them very highly?
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Post by kidstypike on Jan 18, 2009 10:37:10 GMT
I think Gnasher is saying that she voted to keep the Dome in preference to some new state of the art venue which would be built in the new development which would replace the Dome. Better the Devil you know? Willow , the decision on the Dome was only to keep it open until such time as Urban Splash wanted to have the land for redevelopment . Dave |
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Post by kidstypike on Jan 18, 2009 10:40:49 GMT
What is an MBI member?Morecambe Bay Independents, a local political party with, as far as I remember, 11 representatives on the council. The party voted into power because they were all in favour of a bypass. When it came to the bypass vote, all 11 members voted against it. Can you tell I don't rate them very highly? Maybe you should stand against one of them in a local election. That way you would be able to air your differences where they can answer back. |
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I had been telling my hubby about the time I was in Morecombe when the Moby Dick and Hotel was hit by lightening and burnt down. My parents, sister and myself had just come off the Moby Dick when lightening stuck